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 Post subject: alls weill that ends weill
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:04 pm 
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I've been meaning to make a Kurt Weill topic forever but have never gotten around to it because I'm ignorant about uh opera shit. Actually that's kind of misleading since opera generally gives the impression of you know three-day arias belted out by large women while Weill's stuff is short, extremely tuneful, and draws on jazz and folk music as much as on classical stuff. It's not exactly just opera for dummies though since he started out an atonal modernist of the vienna school and even the 'poppier' works that made his name have a distinctively acerbic sound to them. They are also extremely political and Weill's communist views were one of the reasons he wrote off more abstract intellectual stuff for a kind of warped populist approach. This means he was written off for a while by the ~classical establishment~ as a panderer etc but recently there's been kind of a revival of his work as more people realised how distinctive and deceptively sharp his sound was, not so much anti-modernist as modernism taken in another direction.

So yeah that's all good but one of the reasons I think he's important to know about is because in many ways this is SECRET POP MUSICKS OF 20TH CENTURY. Like Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, Tom Waits, Randy Newman and a ton more have pointed him out as a huge influence because he wrote kind of street-level music that was deliberately composed to be played and sung by amateurs for added rawness but was extremely cutting at the same time. Here's an example, the 'Ballad of Immoral Earnings' from The Threepenny Opera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py96foNJny0&feature=related. Most of the lyrics I could find in English are heavily bowlderised and wimpy (the original is about a gangster and prositute fondly reminiscing about their abusive relationship, while the translations are straight-up love songs!). Here they are from the play though (actually taken from cristina monets insane newwave version but they're the same!):

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There was a time, now very far away
When we set up together, I and she
I had the brains, and she supplied the breast
I did her right, and she supported me
A way of life then, if not quite the best.
And when a client came I'd climb out of our bed
And treat him nice, and go and have a drink instead.
When he paid up I would address him: "Sir
Come any time you feel you fancy her."
That time's gone past, but what would I not give
To see that whorehouse where we used to live?

That was the time, now very far away
He was so sweet he bashed me where it hurt.
And when the cash ran out the feathers really flew
He'd up and say: I'm going to pawn your skirt.
A skirt is nice, but no skirt is OK too.
He had his cheek, he kept me locked away all day
But came the night he brought acquaintances to play.
If I'd object he'd knock me headlong down the stairs
I had the bruises off and on for years.
That time's gone past, but what would I not give
To see that whorehouse where we used to live?

That was a time now very far away
Not that our state seems much improved today
When afternoons were all I had for you
I told you she was generally booked up
(The night's more normal, but daytime will do)
Once I was pregnant, so the doctor said
So we reversed positions on the bed
You thought your weight would make it premature
But in the end we flushed it down the sewer
That could not last, but what would I not give
To see that whorehouse where we used to live?


The lyrics are by the legendary communist playwright and theorist Bertolt Brecht, who wrote the librettos for Weill's scores for the operas which made them famous: the Threepenny Opera and the Rise And Fall of The City Of Mahagonny. Brecht was an interesting guy in his own right but we won't get into that here!
Incidentally, here's an instrumental version where you can hear Weill's distinctively acidic way with a melody and unusual instumentation (banjos, folk and jazz instuments) more clearly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARfumOj5GLw .

Weill's most famous song is Mack The Knife, about the same character from the previous song: the vicious mob boss Mackie, in some ways Brecht's mocking symbol of capitalism (he murders and exploits to get wedding furniture for his bourgeois fiancee, but is obsessive about the etiquette of his henchmen and wears spotless kid gloves. idk its been a while!!). The song was also bowlderised when it was made famous by the likes of Bobby Darin, which isn't surprising as the original includes lines about murdering women and raping a yound girl. You can hear a version of it here done by Weill's wife Lotte Lenya, who he wrote many of the parts expressly for. Lenya is iconic in her own right because of her raw untrained vocal style, she also played the villain in From Russia With Love I think. Anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPG9GcykPIY

Quote:
And the shark, he has teeth
And he wears them in his face
And Macheath, he has a knife
But the knife you don't see

On a beautiful blue Sunday
Lies a dead man on the Strand
And a man goes around the corner
Whom they call Mack the Knife

And Schmul Meier stays missing
As do some rich men
And his money has Mack the Knife,
On whom they can't pin anything.

Jenny Towler was found
With a knife in her chest
And on the wharf walks Mack the Knife,
Who knows nothing about all this.

And the minor-aged widow,
Whose name everyone knows,
Woke up and was violated
Mack, what was your price?

And some are in the darkness
And the others in the light
But you only see those in the light
Those in the darkness you don't see

But you only see those in the light
Those in the darkness you don't see


This song was SMASHHIT in those days, incidentally, and has been covered by evveryone from Louis Armstrong to Westlife (most of the cover versions leave out the rape bit tho). This actually ties into an interesting aspect of the play as a whole: Brecht had intended to use Weill's melodys to get leftist social critique to the audience, but his lyrics have pretty consistently forgotten and altered in favour of the tunes. Even in his day most of the fans were upper-middle-class burghers who just liked the songs. This possibly led to the more direct agitprop approach he was to pick up for his later plays!

It's not all acerbic stuff, though: willie nelson memorably covered 'september song' and there's also the excellent 'surbaya johnny': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsy7uP17HLo

I haven't really talked about his masterpiece Rise And Fall Of The City Of Mahagonny here too much, mainly because it's best appreciated as a whole: the threepenny has shorter more tuneful songs but the mahagonny is a lot wilder and nastier and is where he really gives free rein to the acerbic modern part. I'd definitely recommend it, even without the lyrics. listen to 'havanna-lied'!! everyone listen to this song it rules http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFKV306hZjY

ANYWAY:
i can continue linking videos etc but really if you're interested you should pick up the soundtracks to 'threepenny opera' and 'mahagonny': they were always written to be standalone along with the play (rather than try to make a consistent whole of music/play/set etc brecht preferred to have them all somewhat self-contained and commenting on the others, in the dialectical spirit etc). The best recordings are the original 1930 cast recording of the threepenny opera (die dreigroschenoper) and the fifties recording of mahagonny with lotte lenya singing. I'd recommend buying them if you can (the threepenny one is pretty cheap and comes with an excellent lyric book in english) just to get the lyrics but if you just want the songs I can hook you up! There's a ton more cool Kurt Weill stuff (especially the 'seven deadly sins' ballet) but those two are his most well-known and best. actually another good introduction is 'lotte lenya sings kurt weill' (thats it in the havanna-lied video) where she does the seven deadly sins in its entirety as well as a selection from threepenny and mahogonny. its all good though. this is a very rough overview i'll talk about more shit later!!


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 Post subject: Re: alls weill that ends weill
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:11 pm 
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also one interesting thing about this is that a few different composers at that time went in for shorter catchy songs, the 'zeitoper' (opera of the times) movement. basically WAGNER has always been held up as the great national culture hero of germany, and since he was nationalist anti-semite and most of the 20th century guys were left-wing jews they all hated him and wanted to move as far away from his work as possible! one excellent result of this is paul hindemith's work "overture to the flying dutchman, as performed on sight by a second-rate village orchestra at three in the morning", a deliberately bad and piss-taking version of the Wagner standard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kok-dZbOqUg. gotta love obscure classical diss tracks!!


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 Post subject: Re: alls weill that ends weill
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:43 pm 
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didn't read the topic yet just stating no shitting I've just gotten into kurt weill the past week or two. everything from die dreigroschenoper (version with Lotte Lenja) is most played on my lastfm right now


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 Post subject: Re: alls weill that ends weill
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:52 pm 
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ahaha that rules. also the dreigroschenoper was where i got into him too and i like it and that version especially a whole lot! half the singers on it can't sing but this adds to the appeal (also iirc there is a really cool zither solo at the end of the ballad of immoral earnings!!). im glad its not just me though because i have trouble explaining just why i like it so much!


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 Post subject: Re: alls weill that ends weill
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:21 pm 
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I was thinking of posting the album in bort's music thread on gw but I didn't because I wasn't sure if it's just me or this stuff's really good, and like you said about yourself I don't know much about opera. but OPERA almost feels like a misnomer in this case

I found die driegroschenoper through a search for lotte lenya's alabama song. after that I downloaded die driegroschenoper and a collection of covers of kurt weill's songs (including covers by Lou Reed and Nick Cave and others I forget), but I haven't listened to the latter yet. I need to get weill's other stuff

and yeah, Lenya plays an old russian woman with a poison-tipped knife in the toe of her boot in from russia with love


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 Post subject: Re: alls weill that ends weill
PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:30 pm 
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i know of kurt weill and i guess i'm familiar with a few of his songs but only through brecht (brecht was cool). and i know that he had a fairly big influence on artists i like (like tom waits). so i guess he's sort of been a name i've wanted to look up and read a bit more about so Thanks for that spark, i might do it soon.


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 Post subject: Re: alls weill that ends weill
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:59 pm 
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Never really heard of this guy and don't have much to say other than this is great and I'm gonna be checking this out when I have the time. Spotify seems to have something and I'll bet the library has plenty. The lyrics are like the beautiful nails of a charming, smiling young lady on a blackboard and I'm loving the fuck out of Tango Ballade. I'll have to check some covers of that, I get the feeling that the song has a lot of potential as a pure composition, I wanna hear what others have made out of it. Like completely differently styled versions, they could be interesting and work.

I also love what happened with the lyrics and cover versions. You write texts burning with hatred for capitalism, marry them with pop tunes to get them coverage and what happens? Others take the tune, ditch your texts and capitalise on that. It perfectly reinforces your point put no one can hear that.


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 Post subject: Re: alls weill that ends weill
PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:12 pm 
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yeah that's kind of why a lot of Brecht guys write off this stuff: his whole approach was based on kind of FORCING the audience to recognise what he's talking about, like by using set design which highlighted how artificial the stage was and deliberately using unsubtle metaphors and deliberately avoiding dramatic catharsis etc. he thought that the more 'entertainment' parts of the play kind of let the audience feel like their work is done (the bad guy is dead the dramatic structure is complete etc) and gave them an emotional release. this is kind of borne out by what happened to his work with Weill, where it was the songs themselves that gave the audience the catharsis and let them just focus on NICE TUNE etc. so the plays themselves are kind of flawed in this respect but the music on its own is still great!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:05 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: alls weill that ends weill
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:41 pm 
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really, this is a cool fucking topic but i literally have like 20 albums to listen to so i need to prioritize like hell. i wanna hear this, i wanna comment!! also catamites upload the garage mixtape again to the mistape topic will ya. aaa i shouldn't write when i'm tired aaaaaaaaaaa

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